We can learn from each other
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"Regardless of who is here Māori would never go away. It will always be here on this land, it's been here for for a long time and it will continue to to be here."
Speakers
Ngāti Kawa Taituha, Ngahiwi Apanui, Prof Dame Anne Salmond, Judge Carrie Wainwright, Shamubeel Eaqub and Rt Rev Justin Duckworth.
Transcript
Ngāti Kawa Taituha: Regardless of who is here Māori would never go away. It will always be here on this land, it's been here for for a long time and it will continue to to be here.
Ngahiwi Apanui: Engari ko te mea nui kei te noho te Māori me te Pākehā ki te whiriwhiri whakaaro ki te whiriwhiri huarahi mō mua. Koinei te mea nui ki a au ahakoa te uaua o te kaupapa.
[Ngahiwi Apanui: But the main thing is that Māori and Pākehā are able to debate their thoughts and debate pathways into the future. That’s important to me despite the difficulties involved.]
Prof Dame Anne Salmond: Mainstream New Zealand made strangers of Māori for quite a long time really.
Judge Carrie Wainwright: Ka whakapai ērā ki ro i te whare moe, te ruma moe o ngā whare o ngā mea o te whenua nei. I te mea ka mārena tātou i a tātou.
[Judge Carrie Wainwright: Those matters get fixed in bed, in the bedrooms of the homes of the people of this land. Because we marry each other.]
Shamubeel Eaqub: That sense of family, that sense of community, that sense of neighbourhood, these are all kind of collected in to that sense of aroha. I think a Māori word, the word aroha is better than the word love in that it emcompasses a bit more.
Ngahiwi Apanui: Koina hoki e mea atu ai ki ētahi o ōku hoa e mea nei oh kei raro e putu ana te iwi Māori he tino kino te mahi a te Pākehā blah blah blah blah blah blah. Ka mea au: E hoa, e hoa haere au ki tāwāhi, haere au ki Ahitereiria, ki Kanata, ki Amerika, ka rongo au i ngā kōrero mō te iwi taketake o reira ka tangi te ngākau.
[Ngahiwi Apanui: This is what I say to some of my friends who assert that we Māori are an oppressed people and that Pākehā always do bad by us blah blah blah! I tell them: My friend when I travel overseas to Australia, to Canada, and America, I hear stories of the indigenous people there that make my heart weep.]
Ngāti Kawa Taituha: There are some open-minded people who arrive here and they are wanting to learn about Māori culture because I think we have a lot to offer you know especially in terms of looking after papatuanuku, being good kaitiaki and caretakers and custodians of this land.
Rt Rev Justin Duckworth: Land is a thing we own and we possess; no it's not. I mean the earth is given to all people and we don't own it, it was a gift. It's a gift for us to be part of but it's a gift for us to pass to the next generation as well but you don't own it.
Shamubeel Eaqub: Being able to lift our sides to say you know my family if not just my children and my wife but also the people who I interact with around me.
Prof Dame Anne Salmond: There are European traditions that work well with Maori tika and there's others that don't. And I suspect if we brought together the best, you know the ones that are much more egalitarian where people are free to speak their minds, where democracy is highly valued, brought that together with for example the legacy of decision making through, through open debate on marae, ah we would end up with a society which is probably a lot nicer for a lot of people.
Judge Carrie Wainwright: Āe, koira te whakautu pea. Me piri tātou i a tātou. I te mea he whānau katoa tātou. A tōna wā.
[Judge Carrie Wainwright: Yes, perhaps that’s the answer. Let’s bond together. After all we are a family. Well, in due course.]
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